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Forum Muslim Children 
Topic Multi-ethnic communities 
Author Iftikhar 
Date Created 19/01/2004 21:46:06 
Message Established 1981
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Multi-ethnic Communities
According to a recent report racial abuse, threats, bullying, physical attacks and discrimination are a common part of life for many London’s Black, ethnic minority and refugee children. The study found that 80% had experienced racial abuse or verbal threats and 70% believed the authorities treated them unfairly in the field of employment, NHS, housing and education.

British native pupils are particular racist. Shocking levels of racist abuse in schools in the south-east are revealed in a new study. Overseas teachers were regularly insulted with cries of “go back to your own country”. There is a high degree of ignorance, xenophobia and covert racism among native pupils in all schools. Black parents say a war is being waged against their children and fear their spirits will be broken at schools. They particularly feared for boys, highlighting stereotyping and low expectations

A new report examining racism in London has found Newham to be the most racist borough. It also found that most racist incidents are not reported because people do not believe anything will be done. Racism blocks the career progression of doctors from overseas, according to a new report. BMA suggests racism is evident in access of training and careers and is seen as “acceptable” behavior in NHS.

Ethnic children have suffered “50 years of failure” within the education system, a Government advisor on ethnicity has claimed. Dr Maud Blair working for DFES said those in power had a “legal” and moral responsibility to tackle under achievement among children. She said structural failing in the system must be addressed and certain schools needed to move on from seeing certain groups of pupils as a problem. New figures from DFES show that Black Caribbean children are still three times more likely than white children to be permanently excluded from schools in England. Ann Cryes MP is more interested in the isolated and tiny issue of forced marriages while ignoring the main issues of the Muslim community.

More than 10% of primary and 9% of secondary pupils do not speak English and out of them 7% of primary and 6% of secondary pupils are from the Indian sub-continent. New research shows that children who speak at least two languages do better at schools than those who speak only one. British teachers still see multilingualism as a problem rather than an asset.

Adam Smith Institute unveiled a plan that parents with children in failing schools would be given a £2500 voucher to be used to pay for a school set up by any charity, community or church group. James Tooly and colleagues at Newcastle University also proposes cash grants to help parents set up new schools and a £500 tax credit to middle income families who choose private education. Parents should be given the right to set up schools or take over existing ones under private charitable or community management. In other countries parents have a free choice of schools whether independent or state, with money following the pupil.
Iftikhar Ahmad

Topic Re: Multi-ethnic communities 
Author The Khyberman 
Date Created 27/07/2005 02:06:48 
Message AFGHANISTAN: A small minority of Sikhs & Hindus have fled the country since 1996 through 2001 due to the tyranical Taliban government.

Sikhs in Afghanistan tended to be wealthy and successful businessmen and were often targets for kidnappings and extortion by 'local thugs', which in turn were run by Talib warlords. Some Sikh families have been in Afghanistan for generations.

Two prominent Sikh temples in Kabul and another in Jalalabad are barely tolerated, the Sikh Holy Scriptures (which are the focus of any Sikh temple - or Gurudwara) lying in them have been spirited away by followers and taken to India so they would not be desecrated.

Most Sikhs (& Hindus) who proudly called themselves Afghans have fled the country and are asylum seekers in India, USA, UK and elsewhere on the European mainland. All this because they were not muslim.

The ancient statues of The Buddha in Bamiyan (look it up on the Internet, it will make you cringe) - a world heritage site have been blasted away from the cliff faces they stood in for a thousand years, despite strong international protests and pleas.

THAT is the respect other religions get in Islamic countries.

I am not religious, but I suffered for not being born a muslim. I don't believe anybody's mumbo-jumbo, not even the religion of my fathers, but look what religion has done to me and my family, which splintered and flung to the four corners of the world. I haven't seen my mother for a lifetime - just because I was not born a muslim.

I am fortunate that this country has given me refuge, a home, a job and respectability. I work hard and I thank each day that there are people willing to give me a break - regardless of my color, religion or whatever - something my 'motherland' didn't do.

Mr Iftikhar, I speak Urdu, Pushto, Dari (Farsi) and Punjabi. I still haven't seen what you call 'the spirit of Islam'. There isn't any mate. None at all.  
Topic Re: Multi-ethnic communities 
Author MaureenDavies 
Date Created 10/09/2005 16:35:11 
Message Iftikhar: I have to agree with Khyberman with what he says about the Muslims and racism in other countries.
I worked in India some years ago, and I found Muslims to be very racist toward others who were not Muslim.
It is regrettable that some teachers here in the UK have the racist attitude you describe, but I know of many who work their butt off to be friendly and are totally non-racist in their teaching.
I think we have to start looking more for common ground rather than always seeing differences.
My thoughts on the multi-faith schools seem all the more relevant. It is the only way to combat bigotry on all sides. 
Topic Re: Multi-ethnic communities 
Author Iftikhar 
Date Created 10/09/2005 17:02:39 
Message Salaam

Muslim societies all over the world accommodate all cultures, faiths and races. It is the British society which is the home of institutional racisim and that is a fact. There is no palce for foreign cultures, faiths and languages in British society. In my opinion there is no difference between Hindu mentality and English mentality. This is the main reason why there is a positive relation between India and GB. 
Topic Re: Multi-ethnic communities 
Author Spammed 
Date Created 12/09/2005 23:41:21 
Message That's it Ifty. If nothing else makes you feel better palm off rhetoric as fact and stereotype 1/6 th of the worlds population in a sentence. Put 2 + 2 together and come up with your supposed basis for UK foreign policy.

Whats next E = MC Hammer?

And you honestly expect to be taken seriously?  
Topic Re: Multi-ethnic communities 
Author MaureenDavies 
Date Created 25/09/2005 05:00:27 
Message Iftikhar: Your thoughts about there being no difference between Hindu and English mentality, - so is there a difference between Hindu and Muslim mentality? And more importantly from whose perspective are these differences seen?
We can all learn to accept differences by learning about each others culures, and so avoiding judgement of those who think differently. 
Topic Re: Multi-ethnic communities 
Author The Reverend Peter M. Hawkins 
Date Created 13/11/2005 09:38:18 
Message Later in this debate Iftikar says that Islam has no racism etc. In fact racism is quite common in Islam, that is the reason why there are a number of mosques in the Muslim areas of our cities, they are different racial group, deobandi, barelvi, sunni, shia etc, all have a racial basis. Woe betide any Muslim who tries to marry across such racial barriers, they will be fortunate to be wllowed to live. There have been a number of criminal cases where people have made relationships across such barriers, and they have then been killed. 
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