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Original Message
Forum Muslim Children 
Topic muslim children 
Author Noura Miraby 
Date Created 05/03/2004 10:20:44 
Message Hey Donvan!!!!! we are not taught in the Quran to hate anyone....why are you exagerating ??? what's wrong with you??
Listen in every religion we have extremists, it's not only in islam...but for a fact GOD said that you can not force anyone to do anything, whether it's changing your religion or wearing a scarf...etc...and if you do succeed in changing someone, GOD won't accept it because it's not in the persons heart to change...so he/she was beter off doin what they were doing whether Harome/ hilal....IT'S A FACT.....
So don't be talking nonsence by saying that islamic teaching is propaganda...it's a shame ....this shows how low you can be, i wonder if you can even get lower than that....that's sad Donvan....that's realy sad
The life and teachings that i would give to my future child would be the same as the life and teachings i went through...and that is teaching them both religions and not exagerate, like some people, ....then i would let them chose the one they feel in their hearts is the right one for them...ow and i would give my opinion,
In the Quran women have much rights as men do....no one is supirior to the other...you see this is were extremists come in...DON'T YOU GET IT ....PUNK!!!!!!sorry 
      
Responses
Topic Re: muslim children 
Author MaureenDavies 
Date Created 15/04/2005 01:02:29 
Message To Noura:
I do not agree with Donvan that Muslim teaching is propaganda, but there is a fine line where the extremists come in. As a non-Muslim I see that Muslims are not doing enough to dis-associate themselves from the extremists.
I see Islam as a religion that has been corrupted down through the ages and our children need to be taught about all religions to get the whole picture. 
 
 
Topic Re: muslim children 
Author Free Way 
Date Created 29/04/2005 22:46:37 
Message To NOURA MIRABY

You response proves that Islam has deceived you as well. Instead of defending your Qur'an you try verbally abuse the accuser when you could have quoted scripture from the Qur'an that proves you are not taught to hate anyone. I have at least found two passages from the Qur'an where Muhammad said "Surely they are Infidels who say the Messiah, the son of Mary, is God," (005.072) and "Wipe the Infidels out to the last." (008.007). You might rant and rave that this does not teach you to hate but I disagree because the Qur'an clearly teaches a hate ideology in the Muslim society.

Now we look at what you said: "but for a fact GOD said that you can not force anyone to do anything, whether it's changing your religion or wearing a scarf", then we look at what your scriptures say what Muhammad did: Bukhari:V4B52N143/V5B59N523 "When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed so Allah’s Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.'" If i'm not mistaken your prophet forced Safiyah to were the veil but i thought you said GOD cannot force anyone to do anything. Someone is lying here, either you or your scipture is, which one is it?

Then you continue to say that "In the Quran women have much rights as men do....no one is supirior to the other", so then lets see what the Qur'an says in 024:006 "And for those who launch a charge against their wives, accusing them, but have no witnesses or evidence, except themselves; let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, by Allah that he is the one speaking the truth." Surely in a just society women would have equal rights to that of men, but accoriding to Muhammad a man's rights is four times that of a woman. So much for women's rights in Islam?!

Then you say about your children that "i would let them chose the one they feel in their hearts is the right one for them", but i think you would follow Allah's orders to "wipe the infidels out to the last" by killing them if they chose to follow another religion, especially that of following the risen Messiah, Yahshua.

You have contradicted yourself so many times that you live a life of contradiction. You can find the Truth in Yashua, in turn you will be able to walk a straight path leading to eternal life with the Father, Yahweh. John 14:6 "Yashua answered, 'I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father expect through me.'"

But when it comes to love at least i can say what the true Sciptures say about it. Galations 5:13,14 "You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. The entire law is summed up in a single command: 'Love your neighbor as yourself'."  
 
 
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