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Forum Muslim Schools 
Topic Church of England multfaith school? 
Author Abubakar Bin Kassin 
Date Created 02/06/2004 19:56:38 
Message I am a former Muslim who is now a Christian, I wouldn't DARE support the mult faith. May Allah forgive the Church of England. May he bring them to the truth of knowing his Son Jesus Christ. I pray that i may never see that in my days. 
      
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Topic Re: Church of England multfaith school? 
Author James Watchman 
Date Created 16/06/2004 10:05:21 
Message Being a christian I obviously want all people to come to a saving knowledge Jesus whom the Muslim prophet, I understand, accepted was the Christ. Nevrtheless I think that if proper emphasis is put on the differences between the religions in such a school and yet tolerance promoted the idea of multifaith school is not such a bad one. The worst thing is when a school claims to be multifaith and ends up teaching faithlessness. 
 
 
Topic Re: Church of England multfaith school? 
Author MaureenDavies 
Date Created 27/11/2005 03:04:19 
Message I am a christian and always have been, ans I am very much in favour of the multi-faith schools.
All religious sects need to learn about each other and this includes christianity. My main reason for supporting the idea of multi-faith schools id to teach our children tollerance of other's faiths.
Muslims in particular, need to learn to be tollerant of others cultures and religion. Teaching the children about multi-faith is the way to co to combat bigotry in the future. 
 
 
Topic Re: Church of England multfaith school? 
Author Iftikhar 
Date Created 27/11/2005 10:57:18 
Message All state schools are multi-faith schools, mis-educating and de-educating Muslim children for the last 50 years. They have been victim of bullying and racism and the school authorities always try to hide all incidents under the carpet. British education system is the home of institutional racism and it is the fault of the native teachers. There is no place for a foreign culture and language in state schools, even the teaching of European languages is in a mess. State schools and native teachers are not suitable for teaching bilingual Muslim children. They need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. 
 
 
Topic Re: Church of England multfaith school? 
Author khyberman@gmail.com 
Date Created 01/12/2005 23:45:43 
Message No Ifthikar they do not need different teachers than the teachers my children are learning from.

If you do not like it, leave!! 
 
 
Topic Re: Church of England multfaith school? 
Author Iftikhar 
Date Created 02/12/2005 16:24:56 
Message State funded Muslim schools are for those who would like to send their children to be educated by bilingual Muslim teachers. You are living in a free country and no body is going to force you either to teach in such schools or send your children for education. You better mind your own business. 
 
 
Topic Re: Church of England multfaith school? 
Author Maureen Davies 
Date Created 02/12/2005 22:37:15 
Message Iftikhar: Re your email of 27/11. As you say, all state funded schools are multi-faith in that they accept children from all faiths. I am saying that apart from this, schools could teach multi-faiths to all the children. This way it will teach them about other's faiths and create a more tollerant understanding for the next generation. Personally, I do not think Muslim schools per se are the answer, because the teachers employed there are reluctant to teach about other religions. It creates the same problem as for exaple a christian school that only teaches christianity. Once again, we come back to a more acceptable solution to combat bigotry, ie. to give the children muti-faith education. 
 
 
Topic Re: Church of England multfaith school? 
Author Spammed 
Date Created 03/12/2005 00:15:41 
Message You say you are living in a free country but you still haven't distanced yourself from terrorist acts looking to remove freedoms of all people.

You say the Education system is racist and yet your views are severely blinkered, quoting sources of little or no credibility.

You say better mind you own business. That is very much like a threat. If it isn't, clarify it...or it will be taken as such.

Back to the point of your post though...why do they need teachers to be role models? Surely a teacher if they are a 'fit person' the primary concern should be their professionalism and teaching ability.

Children will pick their own role models. You forcing one on to them will acheive nothing. If anything it will acheive the opposite as rebelliousness is the mark of the young. This is why in so many countries the young or students are the greatest centre for creating an environment of political change.

You don't get many suicide bombers of pensionable age do you?

If you want to provide role models from within the Islamic community then you need to look to other areas other than schools.

Or is all this going over your head. Do you think about it Ifty?

Be careful intransigence is often taken as simply being delusional. 
 
 
Topic Re: Church of England multfaith school? 
Author The Khyberman 
Date Created 05/12/2005 00:28:00 
Message This IS my business!!!

State funded means paid for in part with MY TAXES. Have you ever paid taxes Ifty? Do you know what taxes are?

Do you know where your housing benefit and your benefit cheque come from? As it is we are paying for the Bakris and the Hooks.

I am going to repost something I had written a while ago and I would like you to answer some of the questions I had.

I dare you!





The Khyberman

 
 
 
Topic Re: Church of England multfaith school? 
Author The Khyberman 
Date Created 05/12/2005 00:50:23 
Message My original post has been deleted from this website. Why Ifty? Too much to handle, is it?

Amyway - here's one Email I responded to about what I had said...
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Dear Mr XXX

Here's my reply to your Email.

HEY KYBERMAN,

I HAVE JUST READ YOUR POST ON THE GUMTREE WEBSITE & I FIND YOUR VIEW VERY INTERESTING. I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE REFERING TO, BUT DONT YOU THINK THAT IF A PARENT WANTS TO SEND THEIR KIDS TO A FAITH BASED SCHOOL THAT IS THEIR CHOICE.

Thank you for your Email.

My post was in response to a posting made by the guy who runs http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

No. I don't think parents should be influencing children in that kind of way. Children are individuals too and indoctrination is not a good idea at all. No Government should put their weight - and public funds - into any faith based school. Emphasis should be made on integration of people, not segregation. Having faith based schools will only divide people not unite them. I can cite thousands of examples of people that have been in the United Kingdom for 10-20 years and have not even bothered to learn the language, let alone make attempts to learn the law of the land that is now their homeland.


ALSO YOU SLATING THE EAST END OF LONDON IS NOT JUSTIFIED AS THE STREET YOU MAY BE REFERRING TO MAY BE DIRTY BUT YOU ARE BRUSHING EVERYONE WITH THE SAME TAR, AND QUITE FRANKLY I FIND THAT OFFENSIVE.

The East End of London, where I work is so different from the rest of London and this is clearly visible. Working on the side while committing benefit fraud is so rampant here. Of every ten people I meet, 7 tend to be unemployed, unwilling to work and on benefits. No - I am not tarring everyone with the same brush, but a clear majority of the people I am talking about are the way I have observed. Romford Road runs from Stratford all the way into Essex and is largely populated by Bengali and Pakistani people. You must come here and see it - you will know what I am talking about.

Please don’t come back with “But … trailer trash, Chavs, hoodies, teenage pregnancies, binge drinking, promiscuity, lack of respect, no family values, etc, etc.” We’re not going to use that as an excuse to justify our shortcomings, are we? In any case they’re easily countered with “But … child marriages, forced marriages, female infanticide, dowry, honor killings, etc, etc.” I’m sure you’d prefer we not go there. I agree.

A fine example of what is happening here has its parallels in the formation of Pakistan and Bangladesh:

Pakistan borders the Indian states of Punjab and Gujarat - both of which are industrial power houses and produce more than the entire country of Pakistan put together. The Pakistani Border on the northern side, with Afghanistan is so porous, that you can freely walk in and out. The whole country is in turmoil - constantly.

Similarly Bangladesh, part of the once famous Bengal is now a marginalised country - despite being rich in natural resources and the world's number one source for Jute - the fiber of the future. See the difference between Bangladesh and the part that stayed with India... West Bengal is one of the most highly industrialized states in India and literacy is 100%. Yes my dear XXX - each and every person in West Bengal is educated to a minimum A level standard (which incidentally, is even better than the UK). And Bangladesh? I think you know better than me.

What has Islam done for these countries? Why don’t you tell me?

I am no fan of India, but you can see evidence of how multiculturalism has taken that country far. (They have a Muslim President, A Hindu Defence Minister and a Sikh Prime Minister.) The country is not without its problems, I agree - but do you not see the differences between India, Pakistan & Bangladesh?

It's the same in London, in Bradford and other places like that. And please don't blame anyone for this - people are in this state because of their own inability - or unwillingness - to adapt to changing times.


IF YOU WANT A DISCUSSION ON ISLAM FROM A RATIONAL POINT OF VIEW, GET BACK TO ME AND WE CAN MEET UP TO DISCUSS THE BEAUTY OF ISLAM.

REMEMBER IF YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR IT DOES NOT SOUND NICE BUT I WILL GIVE YOU THE PROPER DEFINITION OF ISLAM WITH THE PROOF. HOPE TO HEAR FROM YOU SOON.

No, Mr. XXX - I will not meet you. I am interested in a discussion and I prefer it is done by Email. This way I am safe from harm because frankly, I do not know what your intentions are and what possible harm could come to me. If it’s rational, you should be able to write it down in simple English so a moron like me can easily understand it.

I believe that if a religion has any strength and basis, there should never be a need to explain or defend it. If something needs defending, then it is weak – or false.

As for the beauty of Islam, I fail to see it. All I see happening around me in the name of religion is not at all beautiful. I left my home country and immense wealth, becoming a refugee in this country because I was not a Muslim. My whole family is splintered, spread to the four corners of the world. We lived honest lives, harmed no one and yet family members were tortured, kidnapped and some even killed. All because we are not Muslim. The persecutors quoted from the Holy Quran too. Now tell me, would I think it is Holy? Or beautiful?

I spoke no English when I came here, but I learned it. I made the effort. I used the brain God gave me. Like he intended it to be used.

I have not lost my faith and my religion nor have I lost my identity. I still worship in my own way - I do it at home, in privacy, without the need to enforce my personal rules on anyone else and without the need for blowing up people to prove a point.

My religion and my dialogue with God is a private matter and that's how it will remain. My duty towards my fellow man is that of love. I hate no one - but it drives me up the wall to see people taking the piss.


Like your friends in East London.







The Khyberman
 
 
 
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