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Forum Muslim Schools 
Topic faith schools are derisive 
Author Ab Razzaq 
Date Created 18/05/2010 22:56:25 
Message Music, chess, cricket, drama, dance, sport and Shakespeare are banned in some muslim schools in the UK. The management committee of London's Madani Secondary Girls' School, say this is because "our children are exposed to a culture that is in opposition with almost everything Islam stands for". The response to this sense of danger is often to forbid outright any kind of relationship with non-Muslims: "Allah has warned us in the koran, do not befriend the kuffaar. The Jews and Christians will never be content with you until you follow their way," says Riyadhul Haq, a teacher in Kidderminster.

These attitudes run counter to everything education should stand for. We want children to grow up to be successful, well-integrated members of society. Most British people want to see muslims play a part at all levels, not to lose their muslim identity, but to reshape it as part of being British. Sadly the organiser of this web site is not one of these people.

Many muslims speak English well, but there are equally as many who do not. A common language, spoken by all the citizens of a country, is the route to social cohesion. There are some who want to children predominately educated in foreign languages, such as Urdu and Arabic. There agenda is clear, to perpetuate a divided society, to create ghettos.

Some Muslim schools teach social cohesion, while others regard it as a deadly sin. Some schools impart the skills necessary for a fulfilling life alongside non-muslim friends and co-workers, others try to recreate a Pakistani or Bangladeshi lifestyle and to make it exclusive. These schools promote multi-culturism as a good thing. It is not. Inter-culturalism is what Britain needs.

Several recent surveys have noted an unusual phenomenon among young muslims. Is is that 16 to 24 year-olds are more hardline in their opinions than their parents or even their grandparents. The youngest generation is moving away from mainstream society, not towards it. The reasons for this are complex, but there can be little doubt that Islamic schools play a role in encouraging children and teenagers to isolate themselves. Denis MacEoin found that than 50 per cent of the establishments associated with muslim schools, showed indications of strong fundamentalist influence and control. Several had been set up by organisations that have been banned in some countries.

If we care about the future of Britain, we must care about our British children. If muslim children are to be left to the mercies of religious extremists, we all face an uncertain future. The Government has the power to stop this. The previous did nothing. Let us pray that the new Prime Minister takes the reigns and leads all citizens of Britain towards a bright and integrated future. 
Topic Re: faith schools are derisive 
Author Iftikhar 
Date Created 27/05/2010 21:43:12 
Message Salaam

The western values suggest equality and freedom for all, that means society must allow religious freedom. The Jews and Christians have Kosher meat and Church schools, yet when Muslims simply ask for the very same teatment. the Islamphobic secular right wing jump up and down, screaming that somehow western values have been attacked.

Sharia courts are for Muslim community not for any body else. The Jews through out Europe have their own religious courts. Similarly state funded Muslim schools are for Muslim children. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.

There are hundreds of state as well as Church schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools.

Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. A bilingual teacher has the ability to teach bilingually and explain complex concepts to children who have limited understanding of English. Learning in their first language 'raises their self-esteem, self-respect and strengthens their identities in western culture.

A report has found that bilingual children are far more likely to get top-grades pass in all subjects. Too many schools miss out on the opportunity to ensure bilingual pupils develop their skills in languages other then English. Children using first language other than English have a some important academic advantages as this bilingualism enables children to develop cognitively. It can also improve 'intercultural understanding'.
Topic Re: faith schools are derisive 
Author iris rodriguez 
Date Created 29/08/2012 13:25:39 
Message Hi Everyone

A common education is needed for all to effect cohesion of society.

Your Friend in Christ Iris89
Topic Re: faith schools are derisive 
Author Iftikhar 
Date Created 03/09/2012 16:28:13 
Message Human being is a product of his culture, language and faith. There is a positive co-relation between language and culture. If Muslims become notoriously monolingual Brits than there is a likely hood that they will adopt English culture. They will still be the underdogs of the British society. In the past they were victim of Paki-bashing in all walks of life by the British society in every walks of life becuase majority of them were not well versed in local accents. Now Muslim youths born and educated by British education system are being victim of terrorism by British establishment. Thousands of them are being searched by Police in streets and many of them are behind the bar without any trial. A lot of Muslim youths are imprisoned by British courts on the slightest excuses. The number of Muslim prisoners is on the increase in British jails. When they come out of jail they will become real criminals and terrorists while British foreign minister has said that Muslims are law abiding and committed citizens.

Majority of Muslims are from Pakistan. Their culture and language is different from Bengali or Gujrati or Turkish and Arabs. They have only faith in common. They only marry
among their own communities because of culture and language. This is the ground reality.

I am concerned with the education of bilingual Muslim children. I set up the first Muslim school in London in 1981 and now there are round about 170
Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. I would like to see each and every Muslim child to be in a Muslim school.

A study by Bristol University reveals that a high level of racial segregation in Oldham schools and tension between communities resulted in recent riots in 2001. The solution is that those schools where Muslim
children are majority, may be designated as Muslim community schools. The
native parents do not want their children to be educated along with migrant children. As soon as they find that the number of other children are on the increase, they remove their children to those schools where native children
are in majority.

Those Muslim women in Europe who want to wear burqa are being asked to migrate to another country, remind one of Shiv Sena's suggestion to India's Muslims to migrate to Pakistan or qubristan(graveyard). There is no difference of mentality between Hindus and Europeans. Both of them have no respect and tolerate those who are different.

People should understand that better than 90% of the women in France and Belgium (as also UK and Germany) who wear burqa, are young women who were born in those countries; they did not migrate from another country. In fact some of them converted to Islam from Christianity and Judaism. .

The lawmakers in Belgium and France are trying to target such a small population is pure irrationality. Unless the motivation is racial and sectarian hatred of the Muslims. The same as BJP and Sangh Parivar in India.

Equal rights, human rights, women’s; rights are not just nice topics of discussion after dinner; or to make women the plaything for men's pleasure. They mean the right of each woman to determine her lifestyle as she so chooses.

My daughter was married to her first cousin, has two grown up young children without any defects. My eldest brother was married to his first cousin with seven children. Four of them are medical doctors and not a single child has any defects. Million of Muslims throughout the world are married to their first cousins. Some of them have defective children. I know a family with three defective children. They have no relation with each other. My cousin married a Hindu girl in canada and they have a girl with some sorts of defects. Doctor has advised them not to have any more children. My nephew in Pakistan was married to his first cousin. They have three highly educated children. The ground reality is that British society does not want Muslim parents to get marry their children back home.

In the 70s, when I raised the issue of bilingualism and Muslim schools, I
was given the impression that British education system does not believe in
bilingualism. According to verities of studies, a child will suffer if he/she finds himself cut off from his/her cultural and linguistic roots.
Arabic is our religious language and each and every Muslim must be well versed in Quranic Arabic. This the main reason why I believe that Pakistani parents must find marriage partners from Pakistan for their children. Pakistani children and youths suffer more than others because they find themselves cut off from the literature and poetry. Majority of them are not
even well versed in Standard English. This is the main reason why majority of Pakistani children leave schools without good qualification. English is their economic language while Urdu is their social and emotional and Arabic is their religious language.

I am concerned with the education of bilingual Muslim children. I set up the
first Muslim school in London in 1981 and now there are round about 170
Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. I would like to see each and
every Muslim child to be in a Muslim school.

There are hundreds of state schools where Muslim children are in majority.
In my opinion, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community
schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. There is no place for
a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.

Bilingual Muslim children have been in state schools for the last 50 years. They have been suffering from Paki-bashing. They have been unable to develop their confidence and self-esteem due to racism and bullying. This is one of the main reason why they have been unable to achieve good grades. They have been suffering from Identity Crises. They do not know where they belong. Muslim school with bilingual Muslim teachers is only the answer.

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