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Forum Muslim Children 
Topic Two Parents Theory 
Author Iftikhar 
Date Created 25/10/2005 14:00:41 
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Two Parents Theory
According to Professor Tariq Ramadan, young Muslims have two parents, one their Muslim community and the other British society. He blames both parents for all their problems. Both of them could not and still not able to develop British Islamic Identity. They do not know where they belong. They are mis- fit not only for the host society because of their colour of skin but also for the Muslim community because they are unable to talk with their parents and elders in their own languages. They have become notoriously monolingual like native Britis.

Muslims suffered discrimination in all walks of life, while they have contributed for the advancement of British economy. Now the second and third generation born and educated in the United Kingdom is blamed for the act of violence. Those who indulge in violence are not the product of Muslim schools. They come from well-educated middle class families. They are even educated in western institutions and liberal environment. It must be understood clearly that terror bombing is basically a political and not a religious response. A modern educated youth is far more aware of injustices being done to Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Kashmir and Chechnya. They also become aware of the past colonial history and its continuation in modern times to varied degrees. It was not hatred of the West but hatred to wards its policies. One must distinguish between the two. In case of London bombing, a life of total alienation led to a burst of rage in Leeds, according to Amy waldman of New York Times. These young men are motivated by both injustices at home and abroad. Their alienation and frustration play no lesser role than the sense of injustices by the western rulers against Muslims abroad. I am afraid even fatwas by Muslim scholars will not de-motivate them, unless suitable policies are adopted at home and abroad. Attacking radical preachers is a way of avoiding facing up the problems within mainstream British society. Banning extreme groups and exporting their leaders will just push the problem underground.

There are many underlying factors to see the unrest among Muslim youths. Much has been said about the failure of Masajid to provide institutional avenues for frustrated Muslim youths to express their discontent. Elders are out of touch with the Muslim youths who then turn towards alternative channels to express their discontent. It is a fact that British racism is the greatest recruiting tool of so called Islamic terrorism. Muslims are expected to keep their faith entirely out of politics, yet faith plays a crucial role in the United States politics.
Iftikhar Ahmad

Topic Re: Two Parents Theory 
Author Spammed 
Date Created 25/10/2005 23:59:09 
Message "It is a fact that British racism is the greatest recruiting tool of so called Islamic terrorism. "

Is it? Really? Based on what?

Based on what you know from personal experience? Talking to others who have tried to recruit you?

Have you reported these people? You should you know. Else you are as guilty of any acts that they commit.

And why is it "so called" terrorism. Were the London bombings not terrorism. Was 9/11, Madrid and countless other acts not terrorism?

And who is Amy waldman anyway? Why is the fact she is in the New York Times of any relevence? How about "Spammed said on the message board on the LSI website that Iftikhar answers no questions, is not interested in dialogue and refuses depsite numerous request to comment on the attacks of terrorists within his own city"

And do not say I am racist. I will fight for the rights of anyone to have freedom of speech. But I will not allow you to represent a view that will impinge on the rights of others and I continuously now feel there is more to your agenda.

And depsite numerous requests you do not deny it. 
Topic Re: Two Parents Theory 
Author The Reverend Peter M. Hawkins 
Date Created 26/10/2005 11:32:12 
Message Dear Iftikar,
I doubt if Tariq Ramadan blames anybody for anything, he is too great a scholar to descend to such a level. Rather the problem is as Dr Mohammed Mahathir, the former Prime Minister of Malaysia has said, "Very few Muslims understand reality and they do not understand that coming to terms with globalisation is one of the greatest challenges facing them".
Islam is a closed system and is not accustomed to questioning or dialogue with idealogies different from it's own. It is not surprising that some ill educated young people get led astray into paths of violence when they are not assisted by the faith of their fathers to face reality and come to terms with it. Thus most Islamic societies are oppressed by their elites, and are poor and ignorant. Even the Islamic Calendar is useless for agriculture.
Best wishes,
the Reverend Peter M. Hawkins.
Topic Re: Two Parents Theory 
Author MaureenDavies 
Date Created 28/10/2005 01:11:20 
Message Iftikhar: I agree that it was because Muslim youth were alienated that they were easily coerced into terrorism. Where I dissagree is the reason for that. It is not because as you say, that British society failed them, but rather the Muslim leaders failed to listen to them, ie. their problems relating to having a divided culture. This was acknowledged by an Imam being interviewed on BBC shortly after the bombings. I notice that you disute this theory in your email.
Educationalists in the Muslim schools could do much more to give their youth confidence about themselves and their future, this would counteract the failure of their religious to do so. Muslim students could be taught something about christianity too,Islamic schools have been avoiding this in the past.
I agree that Muslims do get discrimination, but you have to ask yourself why that is. I belong to a christian church and we are trying to combat discrimination. It is not easy when some Muslims come out with outrageous statements. Have a look at some of the statements made by the clerics who are under order for deportation and you will see what I mean.
The one common factor with Islam and Christianity is the belief in one God. Remember that he is watching us all from above. It is a pity that some have spoilt it for us all.

Topic Re: Two Parents Theory 
Author Andy 
Date Created 28/10/2005 15:50:56 
Message Interesting, but please stop spamming this on my site. I have sent you many warnings, I will ban you if this continues.

God Bless 
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