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Topic egyptian muslim girls like circumcision 
Author rexin 
Date Created 12/02/2006 07:19:32 
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Three months ago, 22 year old medical student Najwa Khasmera Abdullah decided to have herself circumcised.


Female circumcision was banned in Egypt in 1998. As a result, many young women of Najwa's age did not recieve circumcision at the age they were normally have it, around 15 or so.


However, in the past few years, the ban started to lose its grip, due to pressure from religious leaders. " Uncircumcised women have strong lust and often commit adultery, just like western women. The government made a mistake by banning it. We Egyptians should not be pressured by the western countries. We need to keep our women chaste" a religious leader stated.


" A lot of my friends are getting it done. My sister and cousins too. We didn't get circumcised when younger because it was banned, but now I'm glad I'm finally circumcised" Najwa said.


Her claims were confirmed by Dr. Yasmina Shamir, who runs a circumcision clinic and also performed Najwa's circumcicion. " I circumcise more adult patients lately, sometimes 10 young women a day. Mostly of Najwa's age. "They didn't get circumcised when younger because of the ban. But when they want to get married, usually the men demands that the women must be circumcised before marriage."


Being a medical student, Najwa is completely aware of the female anatomy and the function of the clitoris, which is removed during circumcision " I think circumcision is good for women. I know the clitoris can bring pleasure, but it is also a great temptation for women. It's best to remove it. Women don't need their clitoris for marriage and having children anyway." She said


"I don't agree with girls being circumcised by untrained village midwife with unsterile razor. That's why I chose to have my circumcision done by a doctor" Najwa said while showing her preserved clitoris in a jar.


"Female circumcision is a very minor and safe surgery under modern medical supervision. The wound is even smaller than that of male circumcision" Dr. Shamir stated. She also stated that female circumcision procedure done by trained doctors has become increasingly affordable even by poor families. Some Islamic Foundation or Mosque even routinely provide free circumcision for the poor, both males and females.


Well, old habit die hard, people say. Looks like Egyptian women are not going to let themselves go wild like their western sisters. 
      
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Topic Re: egyptian muslim girls like circumcision 
Author Spammed 
Date Created 12/02/2006 21:14:17 
Message Well at least it is her own free choice.

But why take a single example as the basis of a whole argument. "egyptian muslim girls like circumcision" says the title. Well there is direct evidence of one....and anecdotal evidence of more.

Still you say that western women "go wild". "Uncircumcised women have strong lust and often commit adultery, just like western women." Just two points of sweeping generalisation that are akin to the rest of prejudicial overtones of so many from the Islamic way of life when pronouncing on this site.

Basically pal, unless you recogninse this your points are based either on somekind of cultural racism or ignorance.

Still rexin let's see if you wish to go a step further than Ifty...

Do you think the attacks on London's public transportation network were wrong or evil?  
 
 
Topic Re: egyptian muslim girls like circumcision 
Author MaureenDavies 
Date Created 13/02/2006 03:25:16 
Message I think you will find that "Najwa" and her wanting circumcision is very much a case in the minority (among Muslim women). Generalisation cannot be assumed on one or a few cases.
Of course the Muslim males want their females to be circumcied, - to keep them in check. It is akin to the chinese foot binding of years ago.
You must have realised that removal of the clitoris takes away all sexual pleasure? So what advantage is it to a female?
Personally I think it is an abomination and should be outlawed world-wide.
 
 
 
Topic Re: egyptian muslim girls like circumcision 
Author Camilla Leyland 
Date Created 26/02/2006 03:54:55 
Message Hi there

Rather interesting debate. My view is that circumcision for girls shows the terrible nature of Islam. I work with Muslims and I know how Islam corrupts people's minds, even forcing them to mistreat their daughters and cut up their private parts. It is sick; either Islam must be 'reformed' or else lets ban it. I'm sorry to say this here but I am so disillusioned with what I read about in the news. 
 
 
Topic Re: egyptian muslim girls like circumcision 
Author Camilla Leyland 
Date Created 26/02/2006 04:00:25 
Message Another thing. Why is Islam such a male chauvinist religion any way? When are the 'sisters' going to take over? Why should men have all the rights in Islam anyhow. If any Muslim sisters want to help us form a campaign group or just have any ideas about how we can change Islam to stop all its hatred for women please contact me here



camilla.leyland@islamchannel.tv 
 
 
Topic Re: egyptian muslim girls like circumcision 
Author Spammed 
Date Created 26/02/2006 23:55:52 
Message Interesting point.

However, rexin and Ifty haven't seen fit to distance themselves from the frankly abhorrent actions against fellow human beings.

Until they acknowledge the rights of society in general to go about their business without being killed how could you expect them to be open to discuss the freedom of women not to be ritually maimed? 
 
 
Topic Re: egyptian muslim girls like circumcision 
Author Ahmed Y, Egypt 
Date Created 13/03/2006 02:58:35 
Message What the hell was that lady at islam channnelTV talking about? Is she really working for Muslim network? errr? I hope not so. What she write is attack on Islam and Prophet (pbuh). 
 
 
Topic Re: egyptian muslim girls like circumcision 
Author Aliah Khan 
Date Created 13/03/2006 03:00:56 
Message Agreed Ahmed. I think we should all complain to IslamChannel about her coz she might be there --- she does have a real IslamChannels email address and it is shown and listed on the channels website so i think it probably true

what happened to teh ummah that we have people like that in our businesses ? she attacked islam on here!

email to complain about it !

camilla.leyland@islamchannel.tv 
 
 
Topic Re: egyptian muslim girls like circumcision 
Author nigel foster 
Date Created 14/04/2006 17:17:25 
Message As penises are no longer needed for procreation (sperm can be extracted from the testes) surely Muslim men should have their penises removed. I know the penis can bring pleasure, but it is also a great temptation for men. 
 
 
Topic Re: egyptian muslim girls like circumcision 
Author jd 
Date Created 26/04/2006 11:14:50 
Message despite finding this female mutilation objectional on a personal level - what is the religious justification for doing this

if Allah created people - surely he designed women to have clitorises and to experience sexual pleasure - even if only in a married state

are you suggesting Allah is not all knowing ?

surely not .... 
 
 
Topic Re: egyptian muslim girls like circumcision 
Author The Khyberman 
Date Created 27/04/2006 16:49:47 
Message



All Camilla did was ask if any Muslim women want to get together to discuss their rights and look at the response.

This shows the typical MCP behaviour that characterizes muslim men the world over.

She did not name the prophet, she did not even mention the book. Nothing. I imagine there's a fatwa in there somewhere...

Like Spammed, I am interested in finding out these two people's thoughts on the 7/7 incidents in London. What do you have to say about that?






The Khyberman 
 
 
Topic Re: egyptian muslim girls like circumcision 
Author Lynda 
Date Created 15/05/2006 09:12:12 
Message The idea that you don't need your Clitoris for having sex or to bear children is ridiculus you might as well say "you don't need TWO eyes with which to see, ONE is enough, So we'll remove one eye ...Or you don't need Two ears to hear with, ONE will be enough .... & I suspect guys don't need TWO testicles to produce sperm ..ONE is enough etc
GOD (or Nature) gave us ALL our body parts for a reason & IT IS NOT UP TO US TO DECIDE WHICH BITS WE DON'T WANT &then chop them off ~ ! !  
 
 
Topic Re: egyptian muslim girls like circumcision 
Author Merry,USA 
Date Created 03/06/2006 16:55:23 
Message
Hey guys
Cammila Leyland was a paid prostitute in north of England for 2 years

 
 
 
Topic Re: egyptian muslim girls like circumcision 
Author Jazzy Jill 
Date Created 19/06/2006 23:54:25 
Message okay so just because you dont agree with her on Islam you are bringing up stuff from her past ? we all do things we are ashamed of.

how low can you go, man 
 
 
Topic Re: egyptian muslim girls like circumcision 
Author Marya Khan 
Date Created 15/05/2009 22:40:48 
Message I find it hard to believe females can be circumstised, er how? but then I waatched a dramtic episode on channel 4, to do with Islam, and i was shocked, the girl was what about, 8yrs old! screamin n being pinned down...the mother caimed it had to be done now because if she grew older she would be more sexually driven...and they wouldn't have been able to control and get in her in a room to get id done (circumsition) i found it really disturbing. I am fully aware that Islam claims the male HAS TO CIRCUMSTISED, but a female? thats news to me. 
 
 
Topic Re: egyptian muslim girls like circumcision 
Author Maryam McKenna 
Date Created 08/04/2010 20:30:20 
Message sooooooo backward. you obviously have never lived among 'western sisters'.  
 
 
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