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Forum Muslim Schools 
Topic Opening a faith school. 
Author A H 
Date Created 13/04/2006 17:54:39 
Message

How does one go about opening a faith school? Is there anyone out there who is aware of the rules, regulations and requirements necessary to set one up?

 
      
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Topic Re: Opening a faith school. 
Author Anonymous 
Date Created 03/05/2006 15:09:08 
Message
It is very difficult to set up a religious school.

If you are looking at a muslim school -there are more than enough around already. 
 
 
Topic Re: Opening a faith school. 
Author Iftikhar 
Date Created 03/05/2006 17:47:01 
Message The demand for state funding Muslim school is in accordance with the law of the land. You need a pressure group. You set up an educational Trust. Look for a state school with majority of Muslim children. You should start campaigning for that school to be designated as a state funded Muslim school. If you can get the support of Muslim parents than there is no problem. There is no alternative for Muslim community but to campaign for all those state schools where Muslim children are in majority to be designated as state funded Muslim schools with Muslim teachers.  
 
 
Topic Re: Opening a faith school. 
Author The Khyberman 
Date Created 03/05/2006 19:52:24 
Message Iftikhar

What will happen to my children who are in a such a school where the majority of the students are muslim and the 'pressure group' succeeds in changing the school to a muslim school with muslim teachers?

Will my children have to change thier religion? Should they leave the school or will they still be welcome? Will they learn about their own faith? Will my daughter be allowed to wear the clothes she wants? Will she be able to participate in drama and sports?

Also, will my children be taught that the events of July 7 were heroic acts, something they should emulate?

I have escaped Islamic fundamentalism in my home country to come here and live as a refugee, happily accepting the customs and traditions prevalent in the UK. Do you want me to escape again?

Please have the guts to answer my questions Iftikhar. You are a dangerous man with a dangerous dogma pursuing a dangerous agenda. Having a one-sided conversation is not dialogue. Many people have asked you questions but you never answer. Do you have the balls to answer or do you not know enough English to answer. No matter. I speak Hindi, Punjabi, Urdu, Dari/Farsi extremely fluently. Talk to me.






The Khyberman. 
 
 
Topic Re: Opening a faith school. 
Author A H 
Date Created 03/05/2006 20:26:39 
Message
I am more interested in how to go about setting up an independent muslim school.

Myself and a group of parents feel that there is a need for such a school in our local community.

If there is anyone who knows how to go about setting one up, I would appreciate your comments.

We have been in touch with the Dfes, but they were rather unhelpful... 
 
 
Topic Re: Opening a faith school. 
Author Iftikhar 
Date Created 04/05/2006 11:19:51 
Message The Education Act of 1944 clearly states that the children should be educated according to the needs and demands of the parents. No body is going to force you to send your children to a Muslim school. You are not in a third world country.

Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. They need to learn standard English to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. They need to learn Arabic to recite and understand the Holy Quran. They need to learn Islamic History to develop Islamic Identity which is crucial for mental, social and emotional development. The children from the sub-continent need to learn Urdu to keep in touch with their cultural roots. 
 
 
Topic Re: Opening a faith school. 
Author jd 
Date Created 04/05/2006 14:50:48 
Message A H :

why do you feel the need to send your kids to an independent muslim school - do you feel let down by mainstream schooling

Iftikhar :

you mention reasons why muslim children need to be taught by muslims etc ... i would argue that muslim children need to be taught in a muilticultural and multiethnic environment to get on in British society

just a thought

and Iftikhar - what khyberman was saying is what would happen to his kids in your muslim school - as non muslims would they be accepted and allowed to act in a non-islamic way (ie clothing) 
 
 
Topic Re: Opening a faith school. 
Author A H 
Date Created 04/05/2006 16:40:33 
Message

I, and many other parents that I know, want our children educated within an Islamic environment; taught Islamic knowledge, principles and culture in addition to the National Curriculum subjects -this is simply not available within mainstream schools to our satisfaction.

The UK gives us the rights to do the above. It allows us to practice our religion in peace and this includes educating our children. Just as it allows Jews, Christians etc the same rights.


 
 
 
Topic Re: Opening a faith school. 
Author Spammed 
Date Created 04/05/2006 23:26:49 
Message I don't think anyone is looking to remove your rights A H.

I will campign for everyone's right to express those opinions unless they involve removing the rights from others.

Following a religion is a choice. Some feel it is absolutely necessary but the tenets of the society that we live in are centred around the tenets of free will.

What I object to...and I increasingly object to with every passing post is that Iftikhar in his postings and statements has acted in a discriminatory way by stereotyping the whole of British society as Racist.

He has also failed to take the opportunity to condemn that attacks on ordinary citizens in London in the bombings of last year.

In such instances one can hardly feel secure that independent muslim schools are not going to propagate the views that British Society is the enemy of Islam and that acts of terrorism against its citizens aren't abhorrent.

I can understand Constant statements are made about the learning of Urdu and other Asian Languages to maintain cultural links. However I do not really understand this. The study of middle English or early Anglo Saxon is not standard in UK Schools and nor should it be. And yet the earliest English texts (The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle and The works of Chaucer) are written in these now essentially foreign languages.

There has been no mention from Iftikhar about the study of British History. This strikes me as very odd. There is much to be learnt int he benefits of different courses of action. The rights of citizens in the UK today which all Muslims have acces to are the history of centuries of struggle and sacrifice.

Female Emancipation, the creation of Universal Suffrage (IT'S ELECTION DAY PEOPLE!!!), the abolotion of slavery, the aristocracy, feudal system, Cromwells Commonwealth and PArliamentary Democracy are all crucial things that have lead this country to be how it is. And yet there is no mention of these areas of study in the proposals of Iftikhar.

The avoidence of such subjects and the concentration of Middle Eastern Studies, I believe, will only go to create a blinkered, unenlightened individuals who have not been brought up to see the befeits of the society in which we live, the importance of the sacrifice of others for the common good (rather than common destruction) and will not lead to a fully integrated society enjoying the benefits of each others backgrounds and culture.

Rather than that it seems that following a certain religion has become like party politics. IE it is now akin to following a football team. You pick one team and stick with it, no matter what, you cheer when it wins over its rivals and pour scorn on those that do not follow it.

It might be fine in football, but it certainly isn't fine in other aspects of society.  
 
 
Topic Re: Opening a faith school. 
Author J Milne 
Date Created 09/05/2006 16:21:42 
Message Hi all,

We are a SECULAR society. That means that state is SEPERATE from religion.

My PERSONAL opinion is that what parents call "educating" is ACTUALLY brainwashing. I doubt that ANY religious parents properly EDUCATE their children as they do not teach about all faiths.

My PERSONAL opinion is also that religion has NO place in schools UNLESS it can be taught in the manner "Christians believe x but Muslims believe y and Hindus believe z".

This is why the West fears Islam. The only reason we don't fear our own religion as well is that most Christians don't go about demanding special treatment all the time.

I say to all religous people:
PRACTICE YOUR RELIGION IF YOU WANT BUT STOP TRYING TO CHANGE OUR SOCIETY!

ENGLAND ENDURED HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF SUPPRESSION (INCLUDING BURNINGS AT THE STAKE FOR BEING THE WROMG TYPE OF CHRISTIAN!!!!) BEFORE IT TOLD THE CHURCH WHERE TO GO!

WE DON'T WANT TO BE SUPPRESSED BY OUR RELIGION OR ANY OTHER RELIGION!

IF YOU LIVE IN BRITAIN YOU LIVE IN A SECULAR SOCIETY!

GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS!

Rant over.

jeanangeo 
 
 
Topic Re: Opening a faith school. 
Author The Khyberman 
Date Created 10/05/2006 02:09:21 
Message

Iftikhar


IT SEEMS YOU MISSED MY EARLIER POST. I AM REPOSTING IT. OR WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PRINT IT OUT AND SEND IT TO YOU IN THE POST INSTEAD? WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO WRITE IT IN URDU FOR YOU?

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What will happen to my children who are in a such a school where the majority of the students are muslim and the 'pressure group' succeeds in changing the school to a muslim school with muslim teachers?

Will my children have to change thier religion? Should they leave the school or will they still be welcome? Will they learn about their own faith? Will my daughter be allowed to wear the clothes she wants? Will she be able to participate in drama and sports?

Also, will my children be taught that the events of July 7 were heroic acts, something they should emulate?

I have escaped Islamic fundamentalism in my home country to come here and live as a refugee, happily accepting the customs and traditions prevalent in the UK. Do you want me to escape again?

Please have the guts to answer my questions Iftikhar. You are a dangerous man with a dangerous dogma pursuing a dangerous agenda. Having a one-sided conversation is not dialogue. Many people have asked you questions but you never answer. Do you have the balls to answer or do you not know enough English to answer? No matter. I speak Hindi, Punjabi, Urdu, Dari/Farsi extremely fluently. Talk to me.






The Khyberman.  
 
 
Topic Re: Opening a faith school. 
Author Iftikhar 
Date Created 10/05/2006 17:37:34 
Message You can set up a school with five shool age going children. You can apply for provisional registeration with the DFEE. You can apply for planning permission from the local council. You can apply for Fire Certificate from the local Fire Birgade. After inspection by the OFSTED, you will be able to get full registeration by the DFEE, provided you have plaaning permission from the local council and a Fire certificate from the Fire Birgade. It is very simple to start a school. 
 
 
Topic Re: Opening a faith school. 
Author Bazpartu 
Date Created 14/07/2006 16:25:01 
Message There should be no islamic schools in the uk. Why should we fund this from our taxpayers money? You want your kid to be brought up in that environment? Get them an AK47 and go back to your retched little part of the world. 
 
 
Topic Re: Opening a faith school. 
Author Sayed Ahmed 
Date Created 22/01/2007 18:00:15 
Message MUSLIM KILLER CAMPS TARGET US CITIZENS?


“Peace religion.” That’s been said of Islam. That’s a lie. Islam is a killing cult.

This cult has killer camps teaching young in particular how to murder non-Muslims, as stipulated in the Koran and taught by mosques’ clerics.

Now the FBI arrests a father and son “on charges of lying to federal agents about the son’s training at an al-Qaeda camp in Pakistan, where would-be terrorists pasted photos of high-ranking US political figures, including President Bush, on targets to learn to kill Americans,” reports Jerry Seper of The Washington Times.

Americans aware of the killing cult have sent daily warnings by every communication means available to warn the worldwide peace community that Muslims are committed to overthrow all non-Muslims.

All the while, such Muslim lying entities as the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) continue with web site and other means to tell the world that Islam is a cordial religion.

Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism, Shintoism, Confucianism and Hinduism do not advocate killing those who disagree with their tenets. However, Islam teaches just that: slay the “infidels” — non-Muslims. Those Muslims cowardly enough not to slay the enemy must themselves be slain.

This is what is taught in Muslim killer camps. It is taught via textbooks with teachers. It is broadcast daily, for instance, via Palestinian Authority television. The youth of Muslim nations are indoctrinated to kill off those who do not line up with Allah and the Koran.

With the United States referred to as The Great Satan, America is a prime target for killing off. US leadership is at the top of the list.

Muslims are infiltrating local communities with their mosques and clerics, all of which can in a moment be turned into killing clinics. In fact, one non-Islamic woman reported attending a mosque where she overheard males conducting a secret meeting instructing their students to kill non-Muslims. They were speaking in Arabic, not thinking the visitor knew the language. But she does know the language and therefore discovered the intent of the gathering.

“Hamid Hayat, 23, and his father, Umer Hayat, 45, both U.S. citizens and residents of Lodi, Calif., were taken into custody over the weekend by FBI agents in Sacramento, Calif., after interviews and a polygraph examination.

“An FBI affidavit said Hamid Hayat admitted attending an al Qaeda training camp in 2003 and 2004, and the trainees were being taught to target "hospitals and large food stores" in the United States.

“The arrests, along with the related detention of two Muslim leaders in Lodi on immigration violations, are part of an ongoing FBI investigation into a possible network of al Qaeda supporters seeking to establish a cell operation in the Lodi area -- about 40 miles south of Sacramento, law-enforcement authorities said.

“The authorities also have confirmed that Islamic radicals are being trained at terrorist camps in Pakistan as part of a conspiracy to send hundreds of operatives to ‘sleeper cells’ in the United States. They said dozens of Islamic extremists already have been routed through Europe and Asia to Muslim communities in this country, based on secret intelligence data and information from terrorists and others detained by U.S. authorities.”

No wonder informed French and Danish voters voted NO against the newly formed European Union constitution. They fear the admittance of Turkey into the EU. Though Turkey boasts of being a totally secular nation, it’s a Muslim-based country that influenced EU to adopt a law stating anyone criticizing Islam can be jailed or worse.

No longer do we hear US President George W. Bush speak of Islam as a “peace religion.” His latest verbiage regarding the Muslims is that they believe in an “ideology that teaches hate.” That is fact. It is imperative that that kind of education continues to flow from every branch of the US government, including every school system.

In recent past, Muslims have been invited into school districts to educate faculty and administration concerning their religion being a “faith of peace.” Muslims students in some schools have even been provided prayer rooms where they can go to spread their prayer mats during a school day.

All this is ignorance maximum. It has to be put aside for the truth regarding this killing cult and its murder camps spread around the globe 
 
 
Topic Re: Opening a faith school. 
Author alythia 
Date Created 27/06/2007 15:47:36 
Message there isnt anything wrong with muslim schools, as a muslim i would send my kid to a muslim school so long as it taught all the activities a western school does, and it would be nice if it did teach kids about all religions then at least they will understan there nieghbour etc but then i guess it wuldnt be a muslim school it wuld be a multifaith school which infact is fine by me but i would love to think we could have schools that allow you to practice freely who ever you are, call me blind or whatever but i just wish we culd all get along!!! im a revert and ive not stopped being with my non muslim friends the same as they dont dissregard me.im still me i just live a little diff now, and anyway islam is easy to do and was designed so it doesnt inflict in daily life.and mine doesnt,i work i study i pray! i think in truth as much as i would love to send my kids to a muslim run school i wuld still send them to a school that wasnt so long as they could practice, education starts at home dont leave it to the school if your kids arnt getting enuff at school help them at home :) 
 
 
Topic Re: Opening a faith school. 
Author Iftikhar 
Date Created 27/06/2007 21:40:41 
Message Salaam

The needs and demands of migrant Muslims are entirely different from the native Muslims. They have come here with their cultures, languages and a faith.

Majority of Muslim children leave schools with low grades becaise native teachers are not capable to teach Standard English to bilingusl children.

Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. They need to be well versed in English language to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. They need to be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry.

A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny gloabl village. He/She does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brits.

Institutional raciosm, drugs, crime, incivility, binge drinking, hihg rate of abortions and teenage pregnancies are common part of life in modern Britain. Musl parents do not want their children to be integrated into such barbaarity. 
 
 
Topic Re: Opening a faith school. 
Author j s 
Date Created 14/09/2007 00:22:45 
Message A H, my friend has a muslim school and has nearly 200 students and is planning to open up a girls muslim school 
 
 
Topic Re: Opening a faith school. 
Author British citizen 
Date Created 24/01/2008 19:07:24 
Message


A FACT of life
This is an editorial written by a British citizen, published in a National newspaper He did quite a job; didn't he? Read on, please!

IMMIGRANTS, NOT BRITS MUST ADAPT.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on the 7th of the 7th we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Brits. However, the disgust about the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Britain , our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. (The Danes, Romans,
etc.)
However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of the Brits being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Britons we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.


We speak ENGLISH, not Indian, Urdu, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language! 'Land of Hope & Glory' is our motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan We adopted this motto because Christian men and women,
on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our
schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.

If the 'Union Jack' flag offends you, or you don't like our QUEEN, then you should seriously consider a move
to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really
don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our Laws give every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so!
But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our lifestyle our government, or our
way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great BRITISH freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.


AMEN




 
 
 
Topic Re: Opening a faith school. 
Author John Oddy 
Date Created 24/01/2008 19:23:00 
Message Here's a reply I put on the BNP comments

Vandersar,
I think this recent news blows your argument out of the water and it’s not BNP sourced.
Dr Barham Sailh, Iraq’s Deputy Prime Minister has stated that some English mosques are so radical that they would be illegal in Iraq!!!. He further went on to say he was surprised the English authorities allowed the mosques to brainwash young Muslims. Dr Sailh visited mosques in Blackburn and voiced his concerns to a Tory MP although in the last General Election he was a supporter of Jack Straw then the Foreign Secretary now the Justice Minister.
Another report from Higher Education Minister Bill Rammell warns of the rise in Muslim female terrorists in the UK and has issued guidance’s to all Universities on how to spot them. This following a comment from the Tory leader David Cameron “Muslim women in Britain are oppressed”
Then, to top it all, an independent “think tank” called “Policy Exchange” issued these results from a Muslim survey….
On Sharia Law… 19% of over 55s are in favour of it being in the UK
37% of 16-24 are in favour.
On the Hijab … 28% of over 55s say it should be enforced
74% of 16-24 say the same

13% of 16-24s admire Muslim terrorists and terror groups.

The Author Munira Miza said “There is a growing minority of Muslims who do not accept Western democracy”.
Vandersar, it’s not just me saying these things, now others are waking up to it as well, the time for playing ostrich is over and the facts speak for themselves. I would not be doing you justice if I ignored what you said about working with Muslims but anyone can be two faced.  
 
 
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