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Topic TERRORISM,TERRORISM,TERRORISM....................  
Author sup y'all ? 
Date Created 09/06/2006 07:10:00 

yes terrorism is really really really really really wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Topic Re: TERRORISM,TERRORISM,TERRORISM....................  
Author MaureenDavies 
Date Created 11/06/2006 04:33:43 
Message We already know that not all Muslims are terrorists. It would be nice though if some of them came out and denounced the terrorist acts. 
Topic Re: TERRORISM,TERRORISM,TERRORISM....................  
Author sup y'all>>*10 stars muslim* 
Date Created 11/06/2006 05:34:45 
Message To Mayreen Davies
Some are trying!!!!!!!, it would be nice if your a muslim, are you?
God bless ya anyway if ya know that not all muslims are terrorists, because some think ALL muslims are terrorists!! 
Topic Re: TERRORISM,TERRORISM,TERRORISM....................  
Author MaureenDavies 
Date Created 11/06/2006 06:10:12 
Message I am a Christian. The reason many people think that all Muslims are terrorists is because Muslims have been silent about the terrorist activities. 
Topic Re: TERRORISM,TERRORISM,TERRORISM....................  
Author *10 stars muslim* 
Date Created 12/06/2006 17:05:34 
Message to maureen davies

i see!!! 
Topic Re: TERRORISM,TERRORISM,TERRORISM....................  
Author *10 stars muslim) 
Date Created 13/06/2006 03:23:05 
Message but i was saying that (when will you all learn that not all muslims are terrorists )beacuse people are not looking at the good side of islam!!!!!! 
Topic Re: TERRORISM,TERRORISM,TERRORISM....................  
Author Spammed 
Date Created 16/06/2006 23:17:26 
Message When will you learn that by grouping everyone together as ignorant fools you are as guilty of prejudice as those who suggest that all Muslims are terrorists?

The good side of islam? OK there are many things that Islam has brought to the table. And Islam has had a bad press. However just taking this website as an example....

1. I was lead here by receiving unsolicited emails from Iftikhar in which he said that the UK society was racist, that its citizens were racist, that all teachers were racist and that the way to solve this problem was to make education Islamic in focus.

2. I think this view is rubbish.

3. The London bombings occur and since Iftikhar appears now and again to spout some rant much along the lines of point one.

4. I ask whether Iftikhar would like to come out against the killing of innocents in the name of Islam.

5. Much silence from Iftikhar until another rant broadly along the lines of point one.

6. Go to point four and repeat ad infinitum.

Until the loop is broken, and only Iftikhar can do this by doing what he should have done nearly 12 months ago and condemn the bombings, I can not take anything he says seriously and as time goes by I become more and more suspicious of his motives.

If Muslims make inflamatory statements it will cast aspertions on the whole Muslim community in the UK and generally. This is wildly unfair on those who have no wish to be grouped together with fundamentalists who are the most dangerous kind of bigot, the one who feels that he is doing god's work.

I have no argument with you 10*s. I hope your faith brings you peace. But please understand that other peoples faith can give them the same thing. And, here's the shocker, it may be a different faith to a different god or even gods.

Topic Re: TERRORISM,TERRORISM,TERRORISM....................  
Author MaureenDavies 
Date Created 17/06/2006 00:39:10 
Message 10 star Muslim: Some of us do look at the good side of Islam, but it is up to Muslims to portray this side and to distance themselves verbally from the bad side. 
Topic Re: TERRORISM,TERRORISM,TERRORISM....................  
Author *10 stars muslim*) 
Date Created 25/06/2006 00:06:52 
Message HI MAUREEN,(sorry abow delay and stuff)
Apart from from terrorim!!!!
wut do ya mean wen ya were talking abow da bad sid?,  
Topic Re: TERRORISM,TERRORISM,TERRORISM....................  
Author MaureenDavies 
Date Created 27/06/2006 19:31:46 
Message 10 stars Muslim: You have to work it out for yourself what the bad side is. There is no bad side to Islam, it is the Islamic followers that have given it the bad side. So consider their recent actions and you will have the answer. Then ask yourself, do you want to follow a religion that advocates terrorism. 
Topic Re: TERRORISM,TERRORISM,TERRORISM....................  
Author *10 stars muslim* 
Date Created 30/06/2006 13:25:22 
Message Maureen then you should Watch who's the terrorist?
Video/song which is only five minutes! and make sure you read the transilation carefully!!!!!
And yes, but it depends.......... 
Topic Re: TERRORISM,TERRORISM,TERRORISM....................  
Author muslim 
Date Created 26/07/2006 18:01:02 
Message may the peace n blessings of allah(sw)b on those who r in the right path.
what a disgusting massage.whoever will read that(knowledgeable)will laugh.guys could u pls tell me the defination of "TERRORIST".those who r causing terror in iraq, lebanon,chechnia,afganistan destroying the homes,lives,killing cildren in the name of democracy,for oil politics declaring "CRUSADE"against islam with out any cause r the saviers of the world??????and those who r protecting their homelands and families r terrorists?????let me b clear on one thing.laden or any one does not pay me to support them.but tell me one thing ,did the dirty "bush" showed any proof before attaking afgan(after 9/11).can u tell anyone guilty unless proven?did the bush&blair team was kicked by u guys when they fail to find any so called bla,bla,bla weapons in iraq.but guys we muslims r still bleeding."CRUSADE"THIS WORD HAS A HISTORICAL IMPORTANCE.didnt bush knew it before uttering the word(the US PRESIDENT!!!).WELL HE NEVER FELT SORRY FOR THAT BUT CONTINUE BOMBING OUR CHIELDREN.u may say they r bombing the terrorist!!!o since when have muslims become terrorist ?????after the peace loving!!!!pigs started to kick infact shoot n bomb our hearts!!!isnt it.???if these r so we dont need any certificate from the worldthat we r not terrorists.infact we should b terrorists against the invaders.these r my thoughts.it may heart u but can u tellme why the muslims r the target always???if the iraqis hav to pay for saddam U.S n U.K hav to suffer for BUSH N BLAIR AS EASY AS THAT!!!ISLAM TEACHES HOW TO PROTECT OUR SELVES NOT ONLY TO PRAY FIVE TIMES A DAY!!!!OUR PROPHET FOUGHT 27 BATTLE AGAINST FALSEHOOD!WAS HE ALSO A TERRORIST??WILL U CRY FOR THE CERTIFICATE THAT OUR PROPHET DIDNT FIGHT ANY BATTLES!!YES TERRORISM IS REALLY REALLY REALLY WRONG.BUT DONT RELATE THIS TO ISLAM N MUSLIMS CAUSE THEY R NOT TERRORISING BUT DEFENDING (((((LIKE BUSH N BLAIR)))))!!
DAUGHTER(Q):Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?

A: Because they had weapons of mass destruction, honey.

Q: But the inspectors didn't find any weapons of mass destruction.

A: That's because the Iraqis were hiding them.

Q: And that's why we invaded Iraq? A: Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections.

Q: But after we invaded them, we STILL didn't find any weapons of mass destruction, did we?

A: That's because the weapons are so well hidden. Don't worry, we'll find something, probably right before the 2004 election.

Q: Why did Iraq want all those weapons of mass destruction?

A: To use them in a war, silly.

Q: I'm confused. If they had all those weapons that they planned to use in a war, then why didn't they use any of those weapons when we went to war with them?
A: Well, obviously they didn't want anyone to know they had those weapons, so they chose to die by the thousands rather than defend themselves.

Q: That doesn't make sense Daddy. Why would they choose to die if they had all those big weapons to fight us back with?

A: It's a different culture. It's not supposed to make sense.

Q: I don't know about you, but I don't think they had any of those weapons our government said they did.

A: Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or not they had those weapons. We had another good reason to invade them anyway.

Q: And what was that?

A: Even if Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein was a cruel dictator, which is another good reason to invade another country.

Q: Why? What does a cruel dictator do that makes it OK to invade his country? A: Well, for one thing, he tortured his own people.

Q: Kind of like what they do in China?

A: Don't go comparing China to Iraq. China is a good


competitor, where millions of people work for slave

wages in sweatshops

to make U.S. corporations richer.

Q: So if a country lets its people be exploited for

American corporate

gain, it's a good country, even if that country tortures people?

A: Right.

Q: Why were people in Iraq being tortured?

A: For political crimes, mostly, like criticizing the government. People who criticized the government in Iraq were sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Isn't that exactly what happens in China?

A: I told you, China is different.

Q: What's the difference between China and Iraq?

A: Well, for one thing, Iraq was ruled by the Ba'ath party, while China is Communist.

Q: Didn't you once tell me Communists were bad?

A: No, just Cuban Communists are bad.

Q: How are the Cuban Communists bad?

A: Well, for one thing, people who criticize the government in Cuba are sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Like in Iraq?

A: Exactly.

Q: And like in China, too?

A: I told you, China's a good economic competitor. Cuba, on the other hand, is not.
Q: How come Cuba isn't a good economic competitor?

A: Well, you see, back in the early 1960s, our government passed some laws that made it illegal for Americans to trade or do any business with Cuba until they stopped being Communists and started being capitalists like us.

Q: But if we got rid of those laws, opened up trade with Cuba, and started doing business with them, wouldn't that help the Cubans become capitalists?

A: Don't be a smart-ass.

Q: I didn't think I was being one.

A: Well, anyway, they also don't have freedom of religion in Cuba.

Q: Kind of like China and the movement?

A: I told you, stop saying bad things about China. Anyway, Saddam

Hussein came to power through a military coup, so he's not really a legitimate leader anyway.

Q: What's a military coup?

A: That's when a military general takes over the government of a country by force, instead of holding free elections like we do in the United States.

Q: Didn't the ruler of Pakistan come to power by a military coup?

A: You mean General Pervez Musharraf? Uh, yeah, he did, but Pakistan is our friend.

Q: Why is Pakistan our friend if their leader is illegitimate?

A: I never said Pervez Musharraf was illegitimate.

Q: Didn't you just say a military general who comes to

power by forcibly

overthrowing the legitimate government of a nation is

an illegitimate


A: Only Saddam Hussein. Pervez Musharraf is our

friend, because he

helped us invade Afghanistan.

Q: Why did we invade Afghanistan?

A: Because of what they did to us on September 11th.

Q: What did Afghanistan do to us on September 11th?

A: Well, on September 11th, nineteen men, fifteen of

them Saudi

Arabians, hijacked four airplanes and flew three of

them into

buildings,killing over 3,000 Americans.

Q: So how did Afghanistan figure into all that?

A: Afghanistan was where those bad men trained, under

the oppressive

rule of the Taliban.

Q: Aren't the Taliban those bad radical Islamics who

chopped off

people's heads and hands?

A: Yes, that's exactly who they were. Not only did

they chop off

people's heads and hands, but they oppressed women,


Q: Didn't the Bush administration give the Taliban 43

million dollars

back in May of 2001?

A: Yes, but that money was a reward because they did

such a good job

fighting drugs.

Q: Fighting drugs?

A: Yes, the Taliban were very helpful in stopping

people from growing

opium poppies.

Q: How did they do such a good job?

A: Simple. If people were caught growing opium

poppies, the Taliban

would have their hands and heads cut off.

Q: So, when the Taliban cut off people's heads and

hands for growing

flowers, that was OK, but not if they cut people's

heads and hands off

for other reasons?

A: Yes. It's OK with us if radical Islamic

fundamentalists cut off

people's hands for growing flowers, but it's cruel if

they cut off

people's hands for stealing bread.

Q: Don't they also cut off people's hands and heads in

Saudi Arabia?

A: That's different. Afghanistan was ruled by a

tyrannical patriarchy

that oppressed women and forced them to wear burqas

whenever they were

in public, with death by stoning as the penalty for

women who did not


Q: Don't Saudi women have to wear burqas in public,


A: No, Saudi women merely wear a traditional Islamic

body covering.

Q: What's the difference?

A: The traditional Islamic covering worn by Saudi

women is a modest yet

fashionable garment that covers all of a woman's body

except for her

eyes and fingers. The burqa, on the other hand, is an

evil tool of

patriarchal oppression that covers all of a woman's

body except for her

eyes and fingers.

Q: It sounds like the same thing with a different


A: Now, don't go comparing Afghanistan and Saudi

Arabia. The Saudis are

our friends.

Q: But I thought you said 15 of the 19 hijackers on

September 11th were

from Saudi Arabia.

A: Yes, but they trained in Afghanistan.

Q: Who trained them?

A: A very bad man named Osama bin Laden.

Q: Was he from Afghanistan?

A: Uh, no, he was from Saudi Arabia too. But he was a

bad man, a very

bad man.

Q: I seem to recall he was our friend once.

A: Only when we helped him and the mujahadeen repel

the Soviet invasion

of Afghanistan back in the 1980s.

Q: Who are the Soviets? Was that the Evil Communist

Empire Ronald Reagan

talked about?

A: There are no more Soviets. The Soviet Union broke

up in 1990 or

thereabouts, and now they have elections and

capitalism like us. We call

them Russians now.

Q: So the Soviets, I mean, the Russians, are now our


A: Well, not really. You see, they were our friends

for many years after

they stopped being Soviets, but then they decided not>

to support our

invasion of Iraq, so we're mad at them now. We're also

mad at the French

and the Germans because they didn't help us invade

Iraq either.

Q: So the French and Germans are evil, too?

A: Not exactly evil, but just bad enough that we had

to rename French

fries and French toast to Freedom Fries and Freedom


Q: Do we always rename foods whenever another country

doesn't do what we

want them to do?

A: No, we just do that to our friends. Our enemies, we


Q: But wasn't Iraq one of our friends back in the


A: Well, yeah. For a while.

Q: Was Saddam Hussein ruler of Iraq back then?

A: Yes, but at the time he was fighting against Iran,

which made him our

friend, temporarily.

Q: Why did that make him our friend?

A: Because at that time, Iran was our enemy.

Q: Isn't that when he gassed the Kurds?

A: Yeah, but since he was fighting against Iran at the

time, we looked

the other way, to show him we were his friend.

Q: So anyone who fights against one of our enemies

automatically becomes

our friend?

A: Most of the time, yes.

Q: And anyone who fights against one of our friends is

automatically an


A: Sometimes that's true, too. However, if American

corporations can

profit by selling weapons to both sides at the same

time, all the


Q: Why?

A: Because war is good for the economy, which means

war is good for

America. Also, since God is on America's side, anyone

who opposes war is

a godless un-American Communist. Do you understand now

why we attacked


Q: I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us

to, right?

A: Yes.

Q: But how did we know God wanted us to attack Iraq?

A: Well, you see, God personally speaks to George W.

Bush and tells him

what to do.

Q: So basically, what you're saying is that we

attacked Iraq because

George W. Bush hears voices in his head?

A. Yes! You finally understand how the world works.

Now close your eyes,

make yourself comfortable, and go to sleep. Good night.

Topic Re: TERRORISM,TERRORISM,TERRORISM....................  
Author Lamia 
Date Created 27/07/2006 00:45:07 
Message Asalamu Alykom…

Thank you "Muslim" for that truth revealing conversation.

It is true that some Muslims are not exactly portraying Islam with all its beauties. Some even lack knowledge of their role model, Muhammad (PBUH). On the other hand, many Muslims take religion seriously and is their number one priority. Bare in mind that no one is perfect.
As for the verses from the Quran that you have posted, they are translated from Arabic, the language of heaven, into English. You cannot learn a religion without learning its language. Many words in Arabic cannot be translated or even explained in English. If you are seeking the truth about Islam, look for it in the right places, not from those opposing the teachings of Islam. I can get you a list of all the verses of Islam that talk about peace and about tolerance. To get started, Islam in Arabic comes from the word “salam” meaning peace. If you are looking for Islam, read about the life of Muhammad (PBUH). One of the facts that you will find astonishing is that women more than 1,400 years ago gained their hereditary rights and freedoms (such as choosing whom they want to spend the rest of their lives with). They even shared their views on politics. When did the American women gain their freedoms? However, people over time have forgotten these Islamic values, ignored them, and followed their traditions. When a woman wears the hijab, scarf, it does not mean that she is oppressed; it shows how much religion means to her. The scarf is not only a religious order, but it preserves a woman’s dignity in days where women are thought of nothing but sex symbols (of course not everyone thinks that, but a majority that is apparent).
I denounce the terrorist attacks, and so do millions of Muslims including religious scholars. However, you know what I find unfair: when a Palestinian throws rocks at an Israeli soldier for destroying his home, he is called a terrorist. But when an Israeli soldier murders a whole Palestinian family, he has the right to defend himself?! At least that is what the media portrays.
Take a minute and think of the Islamic values, the life of Muhammad (PBUH) and the many Muslims that take his path. Do not look at Muslims that have strayed from the right path and call them believers that exemplify Islam.
Topic Re: TERRORISM,TERRORISM,TERRORISM....................  
Author muslim 
Date Created 27/07/2006 08:38:55 
Message assalamualaiqum,
u r right.i do not know arabics well.but as far as i know that islam does not only means peace(salam),it means submission too.so the correct meaning is "gaining peace submitting ur self to allah(sw)'s will".on other points i agree with u. the truth is i was a bit angry when i found that some muslim brothers n sisters r trying to present islam by deleting some of its parts.i think wat we should do is to present islam as it is .if ur interested accept it or the dission is up to allah(sw).i dont hav to cut islam for others satisfection,do i?islam teaches us "tolerance". ofcourse i agree.but it has a limit,isnt it??again thank u.point my mistakes n inshallah i will correct my self.DONT FORGET ME IN UR DU'A.
Topic Re: TERRORISM,TERRORISM,TERRORISM....................  
Author Lamia 
Date Created 27/07/2006 12:43:02 
Message Assalamu Alaykom

You are completely right "muslim." I just wanted to point out that the glory about Islam is that it has a reason for every law or order. Some people think and come up with those reasons and share them with the rest of the Islamic world. Some people just do what Islam asks of them and do not look for answers behind everything.
Actually, there is no limit to tolerance. Muhammad (PBUH) had a Jewish neighbor when he was living in Madeenah. This Jew hated Muhammad (PBUH) and dumped his garbage by his door. Years passed and Muhammad (PBUH) never said anything to that guy until one day, the Jew stopped dumping his trash by his door. Muhammad (PBUH), with all his love and mercy, knocked at the Jew's door and asked him why he didn't dump his trash that day. It turns out that the Jew was sick. The Jew was astonished by Muhammad's Kind act and converted to Islam. Subhan Allah... This is Islam!!
We just have to ACCEPT the people around us and not try to change who they are unless they are willing to accept that change.
Inshallah I will not forget you or any of the Muslims in my du'a 
Author muslim 
Date Created 30/07/2006 17:43:12 
Message assalamualaiqum,
thank u for ur reply. the example u hav given is known to me also.u r right. but this kind of tolerance wes shown only in personal matters. if u read the lifestory of our prophet carefully-(i m sure u did)u will find he forgave all who hart him personally ,as a prophet, ruler, leader....etc.before madina he(sm) gave dawah in "tayef'near macca n was tortured by them. allah(sw) sent angels for his support.but prophet(sm) refused to take revenge n forgave them.but see the another part of the coin. if anything came to attack islam in a bigger sense no matter how big or small was the incident he(sm)taught them a good lesson in 0 tolerence.once a jew insulted a muslim women in the market.a muslim then killed the jew n was also killed by the other jews.prophet didn't sat silent. he drove the whole group out of madina as far as i know.so no doubt that tolerance is there in islam n u hav to maintain it .but again u hav to b careful and strong against the devils planning.that why i told about the 'limit".we all hav to know what to forget and when to react for the protectin of the islam n the muslims.i hope u understand .thank u again. jajakallah.wish u in good health n top of iman.ur brother in islam..... 
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